changing your temperature slowly will help with thermal diet and thermal loadingWe’ve just had an unseasonably warm week in my hometown. That’s not completely true, it happens this way nearly every year.  A week or two of cold and then suddenly, it’s warm.

For the last two years, I’ve been studying people and their reaction to the environment around them. Not with loads of data and analysis, but the more reflective, subjective type of observation.

The one take away is that most don’t realize just how adaptable the human body can be – if allowed.

When I was younger, I tended to walk barefoot a lot. When not barefoot, flip-flops were my shoe of choice.  I remember people dancing around on a few pebbles on the ground and saying, “how do you stand this?”  It’s simple, my feet were adapted to touching the ground. The soles were thick and calloused and the sensitivity deadened to the sharp points of the stones. Of course my adaptation was nothing compared with tribal Humans that spent a life barefoot.

Sparing the barefoot in Alabama jokes, the Human body is incredibly adaptable.

I’ve participated in many interviews over the last few months and it’s interesting just how many reporters, off camera, react incredulously to the idea that the thermostat in my house is set to 60F/15C.  “Brrrrrrr” is often the response with the evolutionary trait of crossing of their arms around themselves (this creates less surface area and you lose heat slower).

I’ve mentioned that 60F/15C is the air temperature most scientist studying thermoregulation use for inducing “cold stress” in extended metabolism studies on cold adaptation.  They essentially lock men and women in a room from a few hours to a few weeks, maintaining the temperature, and then look at respiration (CO2/O2) or total heat loss to assess calorie usage.

It seems that scientist and reporters agree on something and most people if asked about a home thermostat set at 60F/15C would probably agree and this seems to be reflected in a recent study by researchers at University College London U.K.  As one physcian was quoted saying in a recent ABC New Story, “Being cold is uncomfortable. Frankly, if people are willing to be that miserable to lose weight they might as well try eating well and exercising.”

I completely disagree, because he didn’t define cold and exercise. I did both thermal loading with diet/exercise and lost weight (comfortably) at the rate of nearly 5lbs/week.  This could also give a little more insight to a recent journal article on obesity and modern day living.

“Since the 1960s, a cultural shift in norms of thermal comfort and expectations of ‘thermal monotony’ have been driven by the widespread uptake of central heating and air conditioning,”  they reported in Obesity Reviews. (1)

They noted that in the U.K., average living room temperatures rose from 64.9F/18.3C in 1978 to 66.4F/19.1C in 2008 and bedroom temperatures increased from 59.36F/15.2C  to 65.3F/18.5C.

As many of you have learned here, this increased adaptation to overall warmer conditions, had no corresponding change in our evolutionary adaptation to cold – winter clothing or layering.  We still dress for the Arctic temperatures even though we’re  exposed to them at most for 10-15 mins in a walk from the house to the car.

Here in the US, it seems living room temperatures  remained stable, at 70.3F/21.3C between 1987 and 2005, while the average bedroom temperature increased from 66.7F/19.3C  to  68.36F/20.2C.

The authors go on to conclude:  “Establishing the significance and magnitude of the effects of both short-term and long-term thermal exposures on body weight could lead to the development of novel therapies to address obesity on an individual and a population level.”

I agree.

Changes in temperature affect Human response. More exposure to cooler temperatures can result in weight loss. This is the basis of Thermal Loading put forth by former NASA Scientist, Ray CroniseThis brings me back to the “warm week” where I’ve observed people in shorts and T-shirts, acting as if  it were summer. In fact, the temperatures were about 60-65F/15-18C, but there was one big psyhological condition that allowed these people to forego the crossed arm, Brrrrrr, response;  Temperatures reached the 215F/-9C just two days earlier.

Look at the graph to the right and just focus on the trend or the shape the bars make just prior to those warm days. See it? Don’t worry with comparing numbers to your local condition, because the actual temperature is not really that important here. Two points to note is the 1) sudden rise in temperature and 2) the size of the temperature swing – high to low.

You can see we were skipping along in coat temperature for about 10 days and the BAM, it get’s warm. Not only that, but in the days before it was both cool AND the temperature highs/lows were not that different. The first thing you should be thinking is “didn’t you just finish telling me we are not outside as much?’

Yes, but in the few minutes that we are outside we take in tons of survival data in our little computers. These included the exaggerated blast of cold in the face, the fumbling with the keys as if we will drop dead in minutes, and the constant talk at the office about the “cold blast.”   All reinforce a notion that we are cold. In reality, if it were 250 years ago, I suggest that a week like this would have had far more impact on a Human compared to the modern conditioned spaces we live in today.

It wasn’t that cold as my members in Kopavogur and Reykjavik, Iceland will probably agree. As well, they would also agree that 60F/15C is balmy warm and a great day for shorts and T-shirts.

So how do we take advantage of this with Thermal Loading? Ironically both the blast and the slower transition. First, in the 4HB protocols, Tim leverages the blast or as he likes to say the bandaid approach – quick and effective. If you have significant BAT this will turn on those triggers to produce heat/burn fuel and increase muscle tone/shivering thermogenesis. If you don’t, then you still  get the muscle tone/shivering advantage.

The second is how I have lived during the winters for the last two years and that is predominately at 50-60F/10-15C with my inside environment. I have the advantage of no office workers to debate with, but everyone can sneak at least 12 hours a day of cool exposure if you get creative.

To do BOTH of these successful, you have to take a lesson from the “I can’t possibly do that” crowd that was, well, doing it this week.  You must trend toward the colder temperature over a longer time. That means dress a little lighter (carry layers in case) and try to just get more and more exposed to the colder temperatures around you so that these “cold stress” temperatures used by scientist to study metabolic rate – feel comfortable and warm.

A cautionary note: be careful of hypothermia in air temperatures below 32F/0C and water temperatures below 60F/15C.

The secret is all about managing changes and avoid the Hot -> Cold transitions, because for ALL of us, those tend to be miserable. Every person reading this can, ABSOLUTELY CAN, live at these temperatures, comfortably. It’s a sustained metabolic boost of about 20% and for the average Male that’s the equivalent of 2800 cal/week and for women, about 2100 cal/week; that’s just over/under the caloric requirements of  one marathon per week.

Now, what’s considered extreme? Running one marathon a week or living (miserably – LOL) at 60F/15C?  The choice is yours.

1. Johnson F, et al “Could increased time spent in a thermal comfort zone contribute to population increases in obesity?” Obesity Rev 2011

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46 Responses to Ch-Ch-Changes

  1. V R says:

    I think there is a typo when you talk about the warm week. you mention that temps 2 days before the 60-65F weather was 215F/-9C.

    I can only imagine people would be dying of heatstroke then, and we would have some pretty big problems if the temp reached that level.

  2. Andrew Stemler says:

    great stuff as always

  3. digitalips says:

    Ray,

    is there a quick ‘n dirty method of ID’ing if one has BAT, let alone even knowing to what degree?

    Cheers

    Stephen

  4. Gil Mike says:

    I’ve missed your posts for these past couple of weeks Ray, but if it means getting very interestings reads like this, I’m more than ok with the wait. Thanks.

    • admin says:

      Thanks!! I had an insane travel and meeting schedule. Just did a 4HB interview for KCBS/KCAL. I wish I could turn this into a full time gig sooner. So much more to write about.

      I’ll try to get one out a little sooner next week to make up for the gap.

      Lots of new people signing up. I really would like to get a forum up…maybe that’s a good placeholder for the paid part of the site – lol 😉

      So let’s hear from some folks! Get chatty. Fill up the comments sections. It’s easy for me to get lost in the 4 inch stack of journal articles (crap, I still print them out even though they are all on my iPad).

      Who else has something to add here??

      Ray

  5. Cary Kirk says:

    Have you considered any devices to create this response in the body without affecting coworkers who prefer the thermostat on 74?

    Doctors are working on new ways to cool patients before surgery. For example a cold slurry given through IV. Could we mock this on a safer level by creating small icepacks to place on major arteries or pulse points? This would also help with those who live in warmer climates.

    Live Cold!

    • Cary Kirk says:

      To clarify, cooling the blood may create a lower temperature in the internal organs, which in turn should cause the body to produce heat to compensate. Then we can cool ourselves and not negatively affect those around us.

      • admin says:

        It probably doesn’t work this way. Cooling happens from the outside in. When core temperature drops to 95F/35C, you die. the idea is to STAY warm. You don’t want to let core temp fall, but make the body work harder in a cooler surrounding environment.

        Hope that helps.

        Ray

      • Cary Kirk says:

        That makes more sense. So, maybe a cold jacket or vest? It’s tough to make that discreet. A big blue puffy vest would have a high dufus factor. I’m having a hard time keeping the thermostat on 67 because my wife is a “cold” person. She gets cold easily. Although, I’m sure if I walk it down slowly, I’ll have better luck.

  6. Kevin Ready says:

    Thank you Ray.

  7. kimmie says:

    Hi there…good reading! I have a question regarding this statement: ” and try to just get more and more exposed to the colder temperatures around you so that these “cold stress” temperatures used by scientist to study metabolic rate – feel comfortable and warm.”…ok, so if a person gets to feeling comfortable and warm at lower temperatures …does that mean the “20% boost in metabolism” is negated ? In other words, do you have to FEEL cold to get the boost? Or even as you adjust to the lower temps and FEEL warm in them…you are still getting the metabolic boost?

    Just wondering!

  8. Matt Gallant says:

    Hi Ray,

    Love what you’re doing — love your posts.

    I think in a few years you’ll be known as the “God-father of Thermo-Dynamic Weight Loss” or something. lol

    There’s something you mentioned in an earlier post that “felt off” based on my own experiences and those of my fellow peers (including natural bodybuilding champions).

    Let me quote you…

    “Just as important trying to keep out of POSITIVE heat situations (like extended saunas, bikram yoga, or hot tubs).”

    I’m assuming that this is your opinion based on the theory that if cold accelerates your metabolism — heat would have the opposite effect (please correct me if I’m wrong and you’ve got data to back this up).

    2 anecdotal experiences come to mind:

    1. The sun is an incredible fat burner. I know my fat loss goes to new levels when I spend 15 minutes in the sun. Look at surfers — look at old time bodybuilders, fitness models, etc…. On a side note: We know that vitamin D affects testosterone plus improves leptin sensitivity. So it could be working because of that.

    2. Infra-red saunas — the estimates are 500 calories burned doing NOTHING for 30 minutes. Also amazing for detox (sweating is one of the best ways to get toxins out). And my natural bodybuilding champion friend used infra-reds to accelerate his fat-loss and achieve new levels of leanness (sub 6%).

    So I think that using both HEAT AND COLD (in the right intervals and times) could be even more powerful than JUST cold.

    I’m not saying I’m right — but that’s what I believe at this point. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

    Thanks,
    Matt
    http://www.leantymes.com

    • admin says:

      Fantastic Matt! This is great stuff. I was a little behind with my post and need to do a “bonus post” to make up. Do you mind if I take your questions here and turn it into a thermo lesson?!

      All respectful. Some things you say are correct, while others are correlation without cause and effect.

      I LOVE the great interactive like a dialog, but I want it to be in spirit of respectful learning and not in all discourage anyone to post these sorts of contradictions. I have another long comment flagged that I have to get to as well, but yours is a bit more straight forward to answer.

      You good with that??

      Ray.

      • Matt Gallant says:

        Of course I’m good with that! Looking forward to the dialog. I’m here to learn (and share).

        Blessings,
        Matt

  9. Carlos Welch says:

    Good piece. I have a few quick questions. If given a choice, is it better to…

    1. walk in 60F air or swim in 80F water?
    2. air dry after a shower or towel off?
    3. take cold baths or cold showers?

    • thom benedict says:

      I have a related question. Although I haven’t read all of posts/comments carefully yet, it is not clear to me what you (Ray) personally settled on as your weekly and/or daily cold therapy. It seems as if you have gone with the “living in 60 F interiors” as the way to go. Since I live in Honolulu, Hawaii, that really isn’t an option at home (no air-conditioning) nor at work (thermostat will go no lower than 70 F).

      • Matt Gallant says:

        I’m curious about your warm weather solutions as well (I live in Central America — hot and humid all the time).

        Looking forward to more…
        Matt

      • admin says:

        Thanks Matt

        See my post to Robbie. Swimming is your choice and finding water that is 27C or below is the best option. You WILL get hungry, but don’t give into this and overeat.

        Ray

      • Matt Gallant says:

        Hi Ray,

        Any thoughts on this research?

        http://www.sportsci.org/news/compeat/fat.html

      • admin says:

        Matt,

        I am very familiar with both of those papers and a half dozen more that are not quoted. Contradictions don’t exist. It will be a bit more time before I post the entire findings, but if I were a betting man, I would bet on swimming.

        There is a lot more to explore, but many seemingly disparate datasets can be combined now to know the true story. Give me a bit more time here. I’m still collecting data on the 4HB, but I will have something for everyone by the time northern hemisphere swimming is “in season.”

    • admin says:

      1. Swim
      2. Air dry
      3. Either work.

  10. Jeff Morgan says:

    Hey…..when is the KCBS KCAL interview going to air. That’s L.A. right?

  11. Kevin Higgins says:

    Ray what is does your AC bill run during the summer?

    I keep my thermostat at 76-78 during the summer in TX to keep the electric bill down. During winter I keep the thermostat at 67-68 to keep the gas bill down.

    I hope you have solar power. What does your electric bill run during the summer?

    I don’t mean to be negative but that is my first reaction to living at 60 degrees.

    • admin says:

      It’s difficult to do in the summer using air..I will get to summer techniques in a month or two. Headed to Houston today. Those 56F nights look like perfect weather – if the windows would open at my hotel. WAIT, I don’t pay the utilities there!

      Ray

  12. kimmie says:

    Hi Ray,
    I wonder if you could answer my question:
    regarding this statement: ” and try to just get more and more exposed to the colder temperatures around you so that these “cold stress” temperatures used by scientist to study metabolic rate – feel comfortable and warm.”…

    ok, so if a person gets to feeling comfortable and warm at lower temperatures …does that mean the “20% boost in metabolism” is negated ? In other words, do you have to FEEL cold to get the boost? Or even as you adjust to the lower temps and FEEL warm in them…you are still getting the metabolic boost?

    Just wondering!

    • admin says:

      No, getting used to cool exposure mainly deals with initial reaction, not long term. You may not race quite as much, but you will lose heat over time. Feeling cold (other than shivering) is all a head game.

      Ray

  13. Jeff Waters says:

    Hi Ray,

    I’ve been on the 4HB slow carb diet for about 2 months now and closing in on 20lb weight loss. I decided to pick just 1 “change” and make sure I could make it a habit before adding more.

    Now, I’m going to add in some short kettlebell workouts and some form of cold exposure. I’m thinking the cold shower might be for me, but want to make sure I’m doing it safely (and optimally) in relation to eating and workouts.

    Here’s what I have in mind:

    5:20am: wake
    5:30am – 6am: workout
    6:00am – 6:30 am: prep breakfast food and eat
    6:30am – hot shower ending with 5 minutes of pure cold
    7:00am – work day starts

    What do you think? Is it ok to have the cold shower that soon after eating?

    Thanks!
    Jeff

    • admin says:

      I would forego the hot shower an instead shoot for 84F/28C and then add the cold at the end as you suggest. You should sense slight warm in the stream at that temperature level.

      Also figure out a way to exercise in a cool environment. You’ll feel better and dump more heat.

      Keep us posted.

      Ray.

  14. Robbie Kepic says:

    Ray, I’m also interested in your summer routine. Living at the Gulf beach in the summer, it’s HOT and I’m too cheap to keep the AC much below 78.

    RobbieK

    • admin says:

      Thanks Robbie

      Just like outdoor exercise, there is a practical limit to when someone can live at 60F/15C. As it gets warmer in the northern hemisphere, our southern hemisphere friends get the advantage.

      Swimming is the natural choice, but don’t give into increased hunger. Stay very regimented in your diet and it is EXTREMELY important to avoid liquid calories. These will absolutely wreck your progress. I don’t even do the wine every day allowed in 4HB, because alcohol goes straight into the metabolic pathway -by passing the first step.

      The cooler ocean and bay temperatures leading up to summer are excellent times to swim. In the fall, before the ocean has dropped down into the 70s, the pools usually lead. I would pick pools that stayed mostly on the 70-side of 80F/27C and just deal with the initial rush. You will sleep better AND you will feel far more alert.

      swimming will be the best choice to thermal load for those in warmer climates.

      Ray

  15. khoefling says:

    Hey, I just started this program and hope to lose 20 pounds in 5 weeks for Spring Break in Mexico with the wife, looking forward to your posts. I am still reading through it all and trying to get my arms around it all.

    thanks. kent

    • admin says:

      Ok…well go light on “cheat days” and make them “cheat meals” at best. I would also up the cardio to 6x, but don’t push as hard on the effort side. Make sure you stay within your target heart rate for fat burn.

      …and as ALWAYS – no liquid calories of ANY kind. Don’t do the allowed wine, sodas, juices, almond milk, etc…. Just water (and I do diet drinks, but that typically brings up another debate). If it looks like “baby food” creamy, blended, mushed, squished, or puree, maybe think about eating the native option. Watch all oils and fats as these are hidden sources of calorie (dressings and “healthy nuts” are among the biggest offender.) There is NO SUCH THINK as 0 calorie spray oil – it’s a labeling scam, don’t fall for it.

      good luck. Send us pictures.

      Ray

      • khoefling says:

        Hey Ray, I started last Monday morning at 220 lns and this morning i weighted in at 213 lbs. I have not hardly exercised at all !! This week I will start PAGG, cold packs and hopefully swimming. Today is my “cheat” day so, we’ll see how it goes.

  16. Blair Slavin says:

    So perhaps there is a connection to people getting older and heavier because as I and the husband get older, we feel colder all the time and tend to up the thermostat to 74 degrees. Plus he wants the bedroom warm once I get out of bed… so I hit the space heater at about 70 for him.

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  18. Tanja Lehmann says:

    I see temperature changes like this every day in spring and fall. In the morning it has like 6°C and in the afternoon it has 24°C. So how to dress without carrying too much excess clothes you have to carry when going home? Mostly it’s better to be cold in the morning than hot in the afternoon. After a walk to the train station lighter clothing is favoured anyway.

    But strangely something like 15°C outside can be comfortable and with 20°C inside I’m feeling cold, how come?

    • admin says:

      It is simply mental conditioning. You have convinced yourself an otherwise comfortable temperatue is cold. Sometimes it results from poor circulation. Gloves are a great way to temporarily restore blood flow to the hands. They warm and the body says “false alarm” and blood begins to flow. Also check air flow. Sometime vents can have an effect through very high evaporation and a sudden chill. Your still not really cold, but might start thinking a downward spiralling thought.

      Ray

      • Tanja Lehmann says:

        This is always in situations with no activity other than doing computer work (I guess gloves won’t be very useful here, since they decrease the sense of touch). The only airflow comes from open windows (no airconditioning or other means are there).

        People are always telling me to make me warm thoughts, but I have no idea how this works. Once I start shivering, I cannot really think normally any more, it even impedes my work.

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  20. Shane Fletcher says:

    How long should I be sitting in a 28 degree tub to get the added weight loss boost? Before bed? Early AM?

    • admin says:

      Shane,

      Not any time. take some contrast showers and generally layer less. This is something you do chronically and your body gets better at adapting (producing heat).

      Contrast showers in the morning will give you a serotonin/dopamine boost (circadian morning) and at night before bed (about 30 mins before sleep and 30 after you shut down light) will cool your body to help fall asleep and encourage the production of melatonin (which incidentally works by dumping heat through your extremities).

      Finally good food. Nutrient dense, calorie poor food. Can’t out exercise your mouth.

      Thanks!!!

      Ray

  21. Jill Speck says:

    New to the site. I’ve read a half dozen blog posts (with their corresponding comments) thus far. Fascinating stuff. Can you tell me where (on the site or elsewhere?) I can find more information about the test of your own where you fasted for at least 11 days? Or was it more? And the results thereof? I only found scant references here and there.

    I’m interested in seeing exactly what you did, and what you found. I donated the number of pounds I plan to lose by adding this to my regimen. But I would love to learn ( and donate) more…

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